I’ll upgrade when Windows 12 comes out … is what I would say but I’ve already switched to Linux.
This is for the ESU version, not the regular one. I think this should be mentionned in the title.
There is also aspect of hardware not having TPM 2. Which turns plenty of good hardware to junk if you stay with windows.
Iirc there are some versions of windows 11 without the TPM check
There is a way to force the install. I did it on two of my machines. I should have stayed on 10
Which ones?
Windows 11 Enterprise LTSC…
In combination with massgravel.
quietly
It’s like XP all over again.
God’s Perfect OS
Still using Windows 10, but after testing out Linux on the side last year I’ve come to the conclusion it’s ready. Other than anti-cheat being in the shitter once Win 10 is officially dropped for good by games I’m moving over to Arch.
Windows decided to delete all my documents and files 2 weeks ago. Even though I removed them from one drive, windows put them all back in. So when their one drive failed. I lost everything. Like every icon on my desktop too. Thank god i had just backed up a couple weeks before so I didn’t lose much.
I was so pissed though that I immediately installed Linux Mint. Haven’t looked back.
It’s all fun and games until you find that one specific thing you can’t live without that requires Windows lol. Hence why I typically have a low profile Windows 10 LTSC virtual machine set up on my Linux machines.
I’m sure I’ll find something lol. Currently its still on that hard drive. But I pulled it out for now. I was angry and didn’t wanna look at windows anymore but knew I’d probably need it again lol.
Same but Windows 7.
It seems fastest, most stable windows was 2000 but lacked good 64bit support. Much defaulted to 32bit :(
and with steam one can play even non-steam games that are “windows only” by adding non-steam game. Proton works for those too.
I’ve been playing The Sims 2 that way lol
not for the ones with the stupider anti cheats
i gave up on R 6 long ago. but basically all other games are playable on linux. i become comfortable living by the moral code of ‘if the game doesnt play on linux it doesnt exist’
yea, though those games are not worth playing anyway. who knows what they do in the background, with root access they can hide it too.
Some anti-cheat software can be run through Steam e.g. Easy anti-cheat.
I’m aware. Just not the majority of them. Either way doesn’t personally matter to me as I mostly play single player games, to which Proton is incredible with that.
Linux only needs to hit a “small but not insignificant size market” for the large publishers to start supporting it. They won’t support it if they lose money doing so, but if it continues to grow eventually they will lose money by not supporting it.
Steam machine should provide another bump, just like steam deck.
And issue is it needs to be a specific platform.
From a game developer’s perspective (who isn’t a pro linux dev or anything), they can support a platform. They support Windows 10. Or Windows 11. They can support stock Ubuntu. They can support a SteamOS image.
They cannot specifically support your personalized Arch config.
Linux’s fragmentation has always been an issue in this regard, as they can’t legally support thousands of different possible system configurations.
HOWEVER,
I think supporting Proton + SteamOS would be very reasonable for a dev. That is a specific platform, its codebase and infrastructure can stay unified with the Windows version, and support for that would practically mean support in other Linux distros.
And SteamOS by itself is getting big.
I hope that steamOS causes this, I really hate booting into windows to play battlefield but it’s my only option if i want to play it
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Sorry, but this sounds like its half bs.
It probably has less to do with “rejecting” or anything to do with RAM, and more likely to do with all the embedded systems running it, or lazy people who don’t upgrade simply because they don’t need to
I know lots of people running old versions of Mac OS, and it is because their hardware doesn’t support newer, and it works fine for their usecase. They’re not thinking about the hardware in any way.
In fact, in contrast to MacOS, Microsoft actually offers this extended support option, whereas Apple tells its users to get f’ed fairly quickly (yet another reason NOT to use MacOS / Apple. You pay a premium for hardware they often don’t support for long). Also, Ubuntu offers 15 years now support for LTS (which is crazy).
I use Fedora btw.
I also like fedora. It’s one of the few distro which has software update all centralised in one app.
I am trying cachyos in a VM and I couldn’t find a way to upgrade in GUI.
Is using an outdated macOS as dangerous as using an outdated version of Windows when the machine is connected to the Internet?
People just target macOS less.
Like Apple was shipping a year old vulnerable version of java at some point, and their update mechanism still sucks compared to everyone
The only reason it’s more secure at this point, is because they’ve made it extremely difficult to install things from outside the app store by default. If anyone else forced you to jump through as many hoops as they do, they’d be hit with an anti trust lawsuit
Yeah I was thinking so. My friend is at least using the newest Firefox instead of the outdated Safari, so I think that eliminated one major attack vector at least. Thinking about convincing her to install Linux mint tho
Yes
They’re not thinking about the hardware in any way.
Yeah, but that’s also because Apple doesn’t even inform the user that their version of macOS is EOL. So unless you’re an active follower of Apple news, most people won’t care – at the least simply because they wouldn’t even know. Same thing with Android, etc… whereas Microsoft makes it annoyingly obvious that you’re running an unsupported version.
That’s true… And its not a good thing either,
That’s just bs, with win11 at over 70% vs 12% win10.
Just reposting something. Most of it probably applies to Windows 10 too.
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PSA, for people sticking to Windows:
You can get a reasonable level of privacy by installing Windows Enterprise via RUFUS, which also has options for removing restrictions during installation. Massgravel is used to activate your copy of Windows, the Github also having .ISOs for you to use with RUFUS.
ShutUp10 is a piece of software that goes a step further, allowing you to toggle off many bad things, uninstall Microsoft’s AI, and gives a description of what you are tweaking does. The premium version also automatically applies your settings at all times, reverting Microsoft’s constant tweaking of your settings.
Some people really do say that Linux is too much hassle, but then go through a 30 step process just to have a slightly less bloated piece of spyware.
I mean, it’s good that this option exists. I’m sure it’ll be helpful for people who need Windows 10 for some obscure music software, that doesn’t work well or at all in a virtual machine or through wine. That might really be Windows 10’s singular last use case.
You skip past the part where lots of software doesn’t work on linux, or there are tons of hoops to jump through to get it to work, and once it’s working it can be broken by an update or upgrade. And no, not everything everyone uses has a 1:1 Linux equivalent.
What works on linux works great. No complaints there.
Absolutely. That’s what I meant by the music software. From what I’ve seen it’s the most common to have older versions that a lot of people use, that don’t work on newer OSes.
Still, a basic DE with multimedia apps, a web browser, an office suite, an IDE, and games cover something like 99.3% of users (arbitrary number).
Bud there is a lot of professional software that doesn’t have linux variants. And a lot of people forced to use windows professionally in the workplace
True, but what’s the connection?
Workplaces already usually run Windows Enterprise. And IT departments are practically guaranteed not to let you debloat the OS.
Also, I’m not shaming anyone for using Windows at work. It’s not the employees’ call. I use Windows for work too, because that’s what the company installs on all PCs.
Most orgs will no doubt continue running Windows for a long time to come, due to Active Directory, Intune, and other services. A lot of smaller ones could more or less easily switch to Linux, but I can’t see that happening with medium+ sized ones.
My workplace i’ve got complete “freedom” in my choice of OS and equipment because i own it (the equipment, not the job)
I’m forced to win 11 due to software compatibility, trusted partner requirements and i am not paying for enterprise licensing on a single laptop. Its literally the only machine in the house running win11.
So i use the hacks and the debloater to get around the bullshit. You wanted to know why people do that rather than “just using linux” (which i do, in my personal gear) - you’re literally being handled a use case. Right here, right now.
Yeah it’s a bit frustrating to see.
For some reason I always thought it was massgrave not massgravel.
I think they rebranded. I kinda figured that Massgrave was some sort of holdover of 90’s teen edginess or something.
Honestly, Microsoft may be full of arseholes, but moves like this at least one sane human works for the company.
It takes balls to admit you fucked up , and this is one employee showing some balls.
Oh please, pull the bar up from underground for Christ sake
Alas, this isn’t a post about Linux - the bar can go nae higher.
That’s one way of seeing it. Another is “if we kick them out of 10 and they are not willing to go to 11, they will switch to Linux or go Mac, we’d rather have them on 10 than not at all”
That carries more self-awareness than one can reasonably imply from vulture-capitalist shareholders.
Or more likely just continue to use Windows 10 when it’s no longer supported.
Microsoft is squeezing everyone with EOL shenanigans. If it becomes commonplace to continue using software when it’s no longer supported, this strategy no longer works.
Hackers will enjoy the land of exploits, though, whereas Linux seems to allow you to patch without needing to change versions. Sure, it may slow the experience, but meh.
Honestly, Microsoft doesn’t give a shit about anyone but enterprise customers. They were probably told to get bent by one too many large companies running fleets of thousands of old embedded systems or call centres packed with old desktops or something.
Nah, I’m good. Switched to Linux, and there’s no need for me to go back
Gotta use a MS account on your computer though, so this is not a viable option for a lot of people
Does ESU require a Microsoft Account? Because that’s probably the underhanded/shady bit of this whole thing.
“All your data are belong to Microsoft.”
I think it’s more that users can’t afford new hardware, even though win11 seems like a step backwards.
There’s also the point that game quality has gone down significantly. If I were to build a new rig which would cost me an arm and a leg, I would still just play games that my current PC can already run anyway. I don’t wanna play the newest CoD-slop or some tech-demo with MTX-shop disguised as a game. The newest games I really enjoyed were Monster Sanctuary (Unity-based monster collector metroidvania-like) and Balatro (no introduction necessary). A toaster can run these.
Don’t forget that not everyone uses their Pc for gaming. Most programs really don’t need Windows and since all of the office package can be used through the browser with no real difference in user xp there is no need to upgrade older hardeware that can just stay on Windows 10 or become a Linux system easily.
and Balatro (no introduction necessary)
What’s Balatro?
Uh oh… Careful, you might lose entire days of your life.
Slay the Spire but with poker hands instead of medieval-fantasy-combat
DMZ 2 is coming though… I haven’t had fun like back when DMZ was playable. Not defending cod in any way other than DMZ is life
