I’m sorry, maybe its just my bad mood, but is this post insinuating that having empathy and wanting justice are “autistic quirks?”
Shouldn’t we all be feeling like things are unjust, or is it ‘neurotypical’ to be a heartless, selfish human being :(
There’s this asshole parking in a complete no parking street in a pretty dangerous spot every day for a week now and I’ve reported it to the correct public channel for such nuisances daily. I’m so frickin annoyed by it and my partner just doesn’t get it.
See, I’m generally against calling the correct public authorities for shit like that, because in this day and age it’ll probably end with the asshole getting deported or shot.
And as much as I hate people who park in dangerous spots, I don’t think that’s deserved.
There was this giant box truck that used to always park in a no-parking spot (on the shoulder of the street) right next to the exit from my kids daycare. As a result it was a leap of faith pulling out, every single day, because you couldn’t see shit around it.
This was right around the corner from the police station, so I must assume they’ve seen it and it’s probably one of theirs.
Well, luckily I live in a civilized country where people getting shot is super rare. And I think serious/repeated parking fines make it harder to apply for citizenship but won’t get anyone deported.
The corporate bullshit was bad enough, but now with the rise of fascism, I’m constantly on the edge of a complete fucking breakdown.
I really really want to say fuck it and go become a hermit in the woods even if it means I die of exposure or malnutrition.
Man the world sucks but you really shouldn’t see me on Rhode Island highways.
Fuck Rhode island in general, but the roads in particular.
I just turned down an opportunity of a lifetime because I need to be able to sleep at night. Please never say Americans don’t care.
I love each and every person here. Please catch your neighbor when we crash and burn.
No corporate cult is worth our sacrifice. Bless you all!
“United we stand” < has always been true.
They’ve done everything they can to divide us against eachother, on race, on what brands we wear, what teams we cheer for, what geopolitical land we happen to be on top of, the color of our skin, and the “class” of jobs we hold… To name a few.
The problem is that many people idolize the ultra wealthy, and nobody ever got wealthy by helping their neighbor. Those “celebrities” have long since stopped caring about who they stood on the backs of and exploited to gain their wealth. They don’t care about you. They won’t help you when you fall. They don’t want you to be supportive of your neighbor. They want you to be aggressively individualistic to the point of being “us vs them” where “us” is more of “me” and “them” is anyone who isn’t me.
It’s never that way. It should never be that way. United we stand.
I’m not sure the first point is universal.
I’m a strong INTP, especially on the “judging” vs “perceiving” dimension. And boy, do I have AuADD. It’s wrecking me. But I feel like I’m pretty flexible when it comes to my perception of justice.
Honestly just been kinda numb for a long time now. It’s going to suck when my brain actually starts processing things again, but, for now, I’m a human robot level of functional.
Dissociation (numbness) is a trauma response.
I’ve just been continually dissociated since COVID started.
Me, sitting here with so-called “justice sensitivity”:
Because you matter too. Your feelings matter too. Your happiness matters. You should not “get over” injustice, but you should do whatever you need to do to be happier, even while all this is going on out of your control.
Because when the time comes, when the fire is hot and the iron is ready, I want you strong and healthy and clear about what we need to do.
Translation: people with ADHD are perfectly normal, while neurotypical people are fine with injustice.
I always thought it’s ODD, that’s usually present in people with ADHD, and not actual ADHD.
Or is that something else?
Oppositional Defiant Disorder, I think, is very different with Justice Sensitivity.
Still very often correlated with ADHD. So are a bunch of other neurodivergencies. Autism, a plethora of eating disorders, nymphomania/satyriasis (of course, anxiety and depression are also common, and SSRI’s take care of that…), and addiction probably the most common.
Oppositional Defiance Disorder?
I mean it mostly only occurs in children and it is a controversial diagnosis. Hard to separate poor parenting skills from it.
Idk man comparing my two kids, both on opposite ends of ADHD (one hyperactive/compulsive, one inattentive)…the hyperactive one is quite ODD and the inattentive one, aside from the ADHD-I tendencies, is probably one of the best behaved kids in the world.
Though I may be a bit biased.
I don’t think it’s nurture. I think ODD has a direct correlation to compulsive behaviors in ADHD-H/C kids. It’s probably something they eventually (hopefully, god willing) grow out of…but also something that would probably turn into other dangerous/compulsive behaviors I’d have to keep an eye out for (like hypersexuality or addiction).
That kid just turned seven and I’m already having nightmares of being a granddad in less than 10 years.
There’s a lot of hot takes on this forum that try to correlate neurodivergence with some kind of moral compass.
It neglects how ideas like justice are social constructs and cultural touchstones, not universal truths and absolutes.
What’s being described is a dissonance between espoused legal/moral standards and lived ones. But which is “correct”? ADHD doesn’t give you any clarity one way or another.
As an American, I don’t understand how anyone can be proud of our “founding principles” without also being deeply ashamed of our failure to live up to them. It fucking hurts to live with this much hypocrisy, and I’m not the one getting snatched off the fucking street. Better just keep absorbing as much info as possible lest I feel guilty for ignoring it…
In the context of feudalism, monarchy and the late “Middle Ages” in Europe, liberal democracy is one of the most revolutionary things ever to happen to Humans, and the US led the way in reducing that ideology to practice.
From there, the admirable stuff is largely the framework for self reflection the system creates, though the US has not always led the way in that sense compared to its peers. No society is perfect, and a major differentiator between empires is how the people handle reflection of past sins. This is why being a progressive in the US is so fucking tedious - because the legacy and the procedures for doing better are there. They are well known and they aren’t that complicated. But then there’s this whole contingent of reactionary assholes who are neither students of history or philosophy, resting on imagined laurels to constantly oppose and then undo what progress we are able to make.
My coping mechanism: when I feel that I am going to be overwhelmed by bad news or the cruelty for the sake of it.
- Is this something I can influence in a way or another? The answer is typically no (otherwise I would have already worked on addressing)
- Spending emotional energies on this would change anything for this instance? The answer is always no
- If I keep on wasting emotional energies on this topic that I can’t change, will I have the energies for having an impact on things I can have an impact on?
This makes me realise that the best I can do for the system is, sadly, ignore the problem. Not because I don’t care but for a strategic effort in doing what I can
I know plenty of people who use that logic to avoid feeling emotions about the state of the world, but then they never do anything to actually help the state of the world. Not saying this is you, it’s just a discouraging trend and I think that actually the people who get most upset about things they cannot change are often the only ones who end up making an effort to change them.
If there is something that can be done, well then it means that I have some control.
If all I can do is burn myself out… it would not make the world better
Other kind of neurodivergence and I not only battle with how unjust this all is, but also with how little it makes sense. Personal gain is usually such a short-sighted goal and the things they currently do (your guys in the US but here in Germany too) are objectively so stupid that they’re likely nullifying a lot of the personal gain within the next years.
It sometimes feels like being in the middle of a horde of suicidal lemmings, running towards the cliff and though seeing it, I can’t get out. And the majority of people around us is still fine with this…
Lemmings don’t do mass suicide, by the way, that is a complete fake by Disney that got widely repeated. The lemmings they show in those scenes aren’t even native to that region. Source, for example: https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=56
More like being on a train headed for that cliff and the brake room is guarded by a squad of toughs, and everyone on the train has been socially conditioned to stigmatize any mention of braking or slowing down, and they will likely team up to try to stop you before you even get close enough to the brake room for the toughs to even threaten you (but if you do get that far, they’ll kick the shit out of you all the same).
It’s like it’s taboo to even mention hitting the brakes, and people will treat you like a social contagion and a danger to society if you bring it up
Absolutely! It’s the daily struggle of seeing people not only hurt others but also themselves for no reason but stupidity at all! And those who do so for supposed short term gain which is none at all on closer inspection.
Humanity does not have any swarm intelligence like at all. It’s so depressing.
Actually I was going on and writing more on the state of the world regarding this and how it’s self made and we could take it back but eh…
I think humanity has plenty of swarm intelligence. We just don’t match it with the appropriate amount of wisdom to temper it. We’re a bunch of developmentally imbalanced animals pretending we’re more evolved than we are, wasting our time competing for trivial things and reinforcing ancient delusions… Which is probably why any aliens that would be aware of us wouldn’t want to visit. I wouldn’t, and I’m no better than the rest of us. We collectively suck.
A small amount of individuals are cool though. So, at least there’s that.
Fair approach!
Humanity does not have any swarm intelligence like at all. It’s so depressing.
Neither do fish, circled by bubble walls. Find another way to create intelligence.
I don’t see them destroying things like we are.
It sometimes feels like being in the middle of a horde of suicidal lemmings
Remember that the lemmings were pushed by the filmmaker. If you want to get out you have to stop the filmmaker, not the other lemmings.
Another fine “educational” Disney film for kids from the 1960s if I’m remembering correctly. It’s incredible how some guy just up and decided to send a horde of animals to a brutal death for entertainment value was par for course.
Anyways, Disney can go fuck itself…
It’s the mistakes they’re making that are the most frustrating. Just highlights how the world is in the hands of a bunch of morons.
You are completely right and I feel the exact same. However, one thing I am certain of now is that the majority is not fine with this. There’s many different ideas about how to do it, but a strong majority recognizes change is inevitable and necessary to prevent a further political slip.
Maybe I’m too positive but political theory and statistics has taught me time and time again how many quirks there are in different democracies that dilute the will of the majority and push some very fringe opinions. And it’s just a matter of time until the democratic system realigns with the true will of the people. Unfortunately either by gradual actual change, or by complete destruction and rebuilding. But that’s usually how democracies evolve.
I need papers to back up this claim. That’s rather vague.
Why is this in the autism community when it’s about ADHD?
I agree with the post as someone with ADHD. When I’m in the shower, I listen to NPR and Apple News. I’ve had times where I break down in tears over something so tiny either sweet or awful. It’s exhausting sometimes.
No no no no, don’t do that. Don’t listen to anything more than maybe music in the shower. You desperately need to not do that. Seriously. I don’t know if you need to, to regulate or whatnot, but if you don’t need to, please consider giving your nervous system that time and space.
I enjoy listening to NPR and Apple News when getting ready. It’s not every day, and it keeps me minimally informed. The tearing up doesn’t happen that often. I was just providing an anecdote.
That’s good that it doesn’t happen every time, but I’m speaking more of specifically filling what is otherwise a really important introspective time that lets your brain sort of decompress and relax and be free, and tethers it to others’ thoughts and words. We already fill all of our lives with stimulation and attention stealing algorithms and awful bullshit, we need to do what we can to reclaim our own abilities to self stabilize, and to do that, I think it’s important to have times of relaxation where we’re free to have our own thoughts. It’s very possible I’m projecting, but on the off chance I’m not, I seriously encourage you to try to be alone with your thoughts more often, and the shower, at least to me, is kind of a sacred time and space to breathe deeply and calmly and let our nervous systems recover. You don’t get that when you’re filling that time and space with, no offense and not pertaining to your taste, but, essentially, garbage. That just isn’t a good trade at all, in my opinion.
In the shower I like noise and whatnot and am able to still have a pretty relaxing time. Plus NPR is just a few minutes and just facts.
I’m lucky I get to walk and take public transit to/from work, so that’s my quiet time. Even if I’m on the phone doing my daily gatcha game or scrolling lemmy, I still get moments of quiet and introspection. I was diagnosed with depression last year, and I think it was a big part of just dopamine burnout with ADHD and the news cycle, but I’m doing much better on medication, and it’s allowed me to step back and quiet my thoughts a little more too. :)
Everyone is different, but thanks for being concerned for your neighbor lemmy user and taking the time to explain!
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If the news makes you sad, why would you interact with it?
Ignorance is bliss. Just look at the Buddhists, they live peacefully, couldn’t give a shit and do fine.
Not all Buddhists are detached from the world. Certainly the ones who self-immolate to protest wars like the US invasion of Vietnam were involved enough to make a difference.
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It’s not all the time. It’s just an anecdote I had to relate to the post. I enjoy listening to the news while I get ready mostly.
