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To the people saying things like “what took you so long”, I think you’re missing the point. They even address this in the post:
EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms and subjected to their corporate surveillance.
When the ship is sinking, there’s some value in someone staying behind to help people get off. That’s not the same as generating value for Shitter.
As for why they did decide to leave now, they explain that their posts are being viewed by significantly less people now than in the past, so there is basically nobody left to help off the sinking ship any more.
The traffic seems well ranked still. Maybe concerns of algorithmic censorship? As an example, X.com now promotes posts from premium users, and then has an extra promotion mode for premium+ users. (Normal users are now much less visible than premium users)
Ppl on Lemmy don’t get the preaching to the choir is not how you grow
an X post today receives less than 3% of the views a single tweet delivered seven years ago
the town square lmao
“Free speech absolutionist”
*abolitionist
Damn… we all should have known elon can’t spell.
On to Wayland I guess.
Another reason why they stayed there for years is not only it’s one of many channels for which to impart their news about their activities or telling users they have individual right to privacy, with fucking Musk now in charge, their presence sought to challenge that bastard’s grip upon social media. Likewise, neither the UN nor Al-Jazeera are yet leaving the platform for the sake of informing the world and the oppressed in general, despite these organizations being opposed to right-wing warmongering, lying, and mafia capitalism, and Musk and those goddamned bots in response trying to harass or reduce their presence.
I missed the “X” in that title, and read “EFF is leaving the Electronic Freedom Foundation,” and was very confused.
I do that too sometimes when I just woke up, and I’m on the toilet, and my brain isn’t on yet.
…you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?
………you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?
Only all the time, brother. All the time.
ITT: people thinking that people already on the fediverse are the ones that the EFF needs to reach
Just call it Twitter
People leaving Twitter now is not very impressive. Less “seeing the light” and more “Trumpgret”.
I’ll remind you that the Debian project left Twitter over a year ago. So the EFF isn’t as fast moving or comfortable with change like … Debian.
This is not a contest to be holier than thou. It’s a numbers game.
EFF stayed on Twitter because it has a larger audience and that means a larger portion of people will see their messaging. In fact, I would argue that the people that are still on Twitter are the ones most in need of seeing those messages. The people that care about what Debian is posting are almost certainly already on Mastadon.
I feel like the EFF’s messaging is just not going to get through to anyone still on Twitter.
Remember, it’s not a fair forum; it’s an algorithm. And it’s not going to show the EFF to users who need to see it.
From their mastodon:
EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms
I will say that double posting is a completely reasonable solution. More orgs should be the gateway where they can be seen, and have the visibility of the big platforms, but they also offer Mastodon as an alternative. If enough orgs do that, it enables people to just… move.
It’s hard for users to move when 75% of their content is exclusive to X. And it’s hard for orgs to move when 75% of the users are on X. Double posting allows this to move to 10% X exclusive content, 60% content that’s available everywhere, and 10% exclusive to open platforms. After the orgs move the content, it’s so much easier for users to move, and after the users move, it’s easier for the orgs to move.
This should be a cooperative thing. And afaik it doesn’t take that much effort to post the content to two places.
There are plenty of mainstream platforms to reach such people on that aren’t owned by (openly) Nazi billionaires.
Hence why this article is about them leaving the openly Nazi billionaire’s platform while remaining on other platforms that are mainstream and still provide a lot of reach :)
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X is owned by a wannabe pedophile from what the Epstein files showed, so maybe X is the only one?
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So you’re making my point?
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Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.
I think sane people say the opposite - perfect is the enemy of good. OCD motherfuckers like me try to rationalize perfect as not being the enemy of good, but we are usually wrong.
Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.
You mean perfect is the enemy of good?
Leave Xitter, but keep facebook, insta, tiktok, youtube etc. Also us keeping using them is not an endorsement.
And this is not hypocritical, why?
You gotta reach people where they are. Twitter doesn’t have as many eyeballs as the others.
And what is the actual work requirement to copy-paste you post to your twitter? Assuming that they didn’t spend their social-media person didn’t spend time arguing with people on X.
And what is the actual work requirement to copy-paste you post to your twitter?
Zero, there’s plenty of software out that there allows you to write once and post everywhere. This isn’t about declining engagement either since they are still reaching literally MILLIONS of people every year.
This decision was reached because of Xitters owner, no other reason makes sense.
Leaving when others are getting fucked is making a stand and having principles. Yay applause.
Going lalalalala and staying on right until you get fucked is just whatever. Don’t brag please.
What the everliving fuck were they still doing there
How long do you stay on a platform before the outreach to new people is outweighed by implicit support of the platform?
It’s a tough call. It is difficult to reach out to outsiders and talk to them but it’s the only way to have a conversation with them.
Trying to help people that didn’t know about the alternatives.
Not sure the best place to discuss peace and love is at a Nazi rally.
Yeah, everyone knows the key to popular Revolution is a small collection of insular ML reading groups /s
Yet they stayed after the CEO of X did a Nazi salute on TV.
I have little respect for this.
Again??
They left Twitter and then went back? When? I didn’t hear about that.
Why leave X but stay on Facebook, Insta, bluesky, youtube, linkedin, ticktock, and threads?
This is clearly political, they clearly love censorship, they clearly just didnt like when it wasnt censored in the ways they wanted.
They address that point in the post you didn’t read.
I just don’t believe the rationale, there is no way threads or even Bluesky match X, its clearly political.
Take the high road and go to open platforms, just don’t lie about why youre supporting the other shitty platforms that censor.
They’re a political group by definition, even if you don’t believe the rationale it’s their prerogative, if they left former Twitter purely because it didn’t align with their values that wouldn’t be a contradiction in and of itself because their whole reason for existing is taking a political stand.
The EFF… loves censorship?
You can complain they aren’t doing enough I guess, but you might as well say a pet shelter loves murdering puppies because they can’t save them all or a environmentalist loves emitting co2 because they support an economically viable plan for net zero.
Well I have to just assume given they support the other platforms.
