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“the left” lol

Everyone will still hate it. Why do I need to launch a launcher before I launch my game

I know what the results were, and I don’t understand what anyone is expecting to be proved here. My only argument is that our system currently works the way it works, and that wanting it to work differently doesn’t make it so.

What do you want me to say exactly? If someone votes for anyone other than the 2nd place candidate in any riding, during any election, whatever the circumstances, they effectively helped the winner win.

That’s a fact of math.

What is it you’re expecting me to prove? We have first past the post voting with no proportional representation. That’s just a fact

Yes and so much more. It’s insane the damage that’s been done to US soft power for decades/permanently

What source do you want man? Like go to elections Canada and paruse.

id say this is 3d chess but its more like being a nation-state 101. Iran expertly played israel and america off eachother to get exactly what they wanted and give neither america or israel anything, all while driving a wedge between these two assholes.

it would be impressive if they pulled this off against highly-capable nations with well developed diplomatic corps. As it stands it kind of feels mean to big up Iran for dunking on what are effectively two asshole toddlers screaming about their toys

Ahahaha. Thank you.

Yes, we do have a parliamentary system. No, seats are not awarded based on % of the vote. That’s literally what I’ve been trying to tell you.

We do not have any form of proportional representation. We do not award any seats based on vote totals or %. We have a representative elected for each riding decided on first past the post basis.

That means in every riding there is 1 winner whether there are 2 parties or 15 parties running for that seat, and if you live in that riding and vote based on your feelings instead of strategically, you split the vote.

In any individual riding if the Tories win 35%, liberals 34%, NDP, 31% the Tories win that riding and have 1 seat in parliament. The liberals and NDP get nothing.

This repeats over every riding in the country and you get a house that’s 100% Tory despite winning barely more than a third of the vote while libs and new Dems account for 2/3ds.

Are you finally ready to admit that you have no fucking idea how Canada works

Thanks for confirming you truly don’t understand our politics or system at all.

Assume I want to vote for party A, party B is acceptable to me, party C is unacceptable to me.

Polling shows party B and C are virtually neck and neck, party A is unlikely to win.

I vote for party B, party B wins, we get a chiropractor.

I vote for party A, party C wins, and we get fascism.

Explain to me why I should take a principled stance and vote A anyway. After all they’re who I most want to vote for

Thanks yeah I have, that’s why I didn’t throw my vote away giving it to the guy definitely coming a distant 3rd place and risking a Tory winning

You’re really going to try to talk to me about my own political system and call me America for not knowing better?

It’s you who doesn’t understand our system, and I never mentioned once a two party state.

We are not a two party state, I don’t like the liberals, and the only thing I said was that An NDP vote in most ridings for our last election would be in effect a vote in favor of the Tory in that riding. As in most ridings the liberals were the most likely to beat the Tories.

We need to vote strategically in our system of we don’t want to throw away our votes or support Tories.

That’s the reality of our system, I’m not that interested in the fantasy version where we vote NDP and then everyone gets a rainbow and a family doctor and an education

So the NDP lost in your riding and your still arguing that I should have voted for them in mine?

I’m still not wrong. For most people in Canada Voting NDP in the last election would effectively have amounted to a pro Tory vote in the majority of ridings

Because the election happened in the past

Absolutely there is, and I would have loved to have voted for a competent NDP candidate in my riding if they had any prayer of winning either my riding or doing anything meaningful at all on a federal level.

I’m still not wrong though.

You wishing the NDP could have run and won in any significant numbers and without risking a PP victory doesn’t make it so, and people voting NDP just because they like NDP policy wouldn’t have changed that

That’s correct, thanks for telling me something I learned in grade 2 social studies.

I also learned what first past the post voting was in grade 2 social studies.

Down voting me doesn’t make FPTP not real

Are they?

The left doesn’t exist in Canada and what this guy is referring to as “the left” and “progressive” are deeply neoliberal

I mean I agree with you mostly but the vote was for Carney or conservatives. Voting NDP for most people would be effectively a vote for the Tories.