I do agree with you, and I also find it extremely annoying that I am expected to give a tip.
However, when I go to the US I know their society works like that, I am visiting and I respect their customs, regardless of how idiotic they seem to me, I just treat the tip as part of the price and there’s that.
What I really find annoying of waiters in the US is that they know you’ll give them a tip and attempt to their best to be servicing with you all the time. Asking you several times if all is good, you need something else and so on.
I remember once I took a beer with my girlfriend in a bar and before I got to drinking half of that I was asked by 3 different waiters if everything was alright several times as well as being asked twice if I wanted another beer.
Fuck off guys, if I want something I’ll ask you. You’re not being kind by doing all this, just annoying.
Yes, because you know this, and you might just accept it as cost of doing business. But not everyone knows about this. And honestly, some might just forget as they’re busy talking about the games or the stores or whatever else they want to go see and visit.
I also understand that’s “how it works” in the US. I’ve visited plenty over the years.
But what I take issue with is when tourists are being blamed. Because they’re not the problem. They contribute to additional profit for the resturant. The problem is the management that can get away with not paying their staff enough.
But what I take issue with is when tourists are being blamed. Because they’re not the problem. They contribute to additional profit for the resturant. The problem is the management that can get away with not paying their staff enough.
Here’s the disconnect: the restaurant owners who make said “additional profit” are not the ones complaining, they’re not the ones in this thread. The ones complaining are the workers directly affected by the lack of tips, and they’re capable of hating both their boss/the system and the customers that don’t tip who are complicit in their exploitation by paying their boss. The worker sees NONE of that profit but ALL of the work they didn’t get paid for because the euros didn’t tip them and their boss doesn’t give half a shit.
The problem is both of you not paying the staff, if either of you did there’d be less to complain about.
Tipping is rude in Japan. If I go to Japan and tip, I’m rude. It is my responsibility to know this as a visitor to their country.
Not tipping is rude in America. If I go to America and don’t tip, I’m rude. It is my responsibility to know this as a visitor to their country.
Again. Having the fucked up system of people having to survive on handouts and donations from strangers is the problem. Not the tourists.
The only disconnect is that americans are bitching about tourists not tipping on lemmy, rather than bitching about servers having to rely on tips in the first place to their representatives.
The US vowed to offer free public transit for World Cup tourists in their bid to host it. Instead once push came to shove. They increased their prices instead of upholding what they promised.
Maybe more tourists would tip had their entire budget not been flipped on its head just weeks prior to the event.
Sure, but unless you can fix it yesterday, before they got here, this is the system they’re visiting.
The US vowed to offer free public transit for World Cup tourists in their bid to host it. Instead once push came to shove. They increased their prices instead of upholding what they promised.
Oh yeah I forgot about that, all the waiters in the country got together and conspired to do that to personally fuck you, I remember that meeting.
You think the people you’re not tipping had anything to do with that? You’re insane.
You think the people you’re not tipping had anything to do with that? You’re insane.
What the fuck are you talking about? You are aware that most people dont have unlimited funds right? Having to spend an extra $50-$100 on transport for each trip has to come out of the budget somewhere.
But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices? Because that’s the obvious conclusion or what? No, I’m not insane. But you’re an idiot stuck at a second grade reading level.
You are aware that most people dont have unlimited funds right?
You are aware the servers you’re stiffing are part time workers without healthcare or vacation time at all and they’re also struggling to afford basic life, right? While the people that won’t tip can afford to fly halfway across the fucking world for their precious soccy game? Talk about out of touch lmao.
Fuck your budget, stay home.
But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices?
OH my mistake you’ve never experienced sarcasm before. Bless your heart you sweet summer child. Fucking christ.
Because that’s the obvious conclusion or what?
If that is the justification you’re giving for why they can’t tip those specific servers than I guess so, they must have slighted you personally if they’re the ones that get the shaft. Unless you’re a bad person…
No, I’m not insane.
Debatable
But you’re an idiot stuck at a second grade reading level.
Oh look there’s that “no u” again! Funny thing that. Hey don’t get mad at me you’re the one blaming servers for what was it, bus prices or some dumb fucking bullshit? Fuck off lmao.
But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices?
OH my mistake you’ve never experienced sarcasm before. Bless your heart you sweet summer child. Fucking christ.
Hey don’t get mad at me you’re the one blaming servers for what was it, bus prices or some dumb fucking bullshit? Fuck off lmao.
See, this right here is how i know you’re not being sarcastic. That you genuinly thought it was the case.
I’m not blaming servers for anything. I’m blaming the US government. It’s their fault things are the way they are. Not servers, not tourists.
This might sound radical to someone like you. But hear me out. If servers rely on a 20% tip on every meal. Why not just include that in the price for the start and it will never be a problem. You know, like how the rest of the world does it.
You, tourist, not tipping ain’t gonna change shit, it just leaves a working class person hungry. At this particular World Cup it’s probably an at least somewhat well off customer leaving a working class person hungry, given how expensive tickets are.
You know what would end tipping culture? Unions. Act annoyed that it hasn’t happened if you want, but it’s not yours to change. For as much as Europeans like to lecture Americans about ineffective protest methods, they think doing something that benefits only them is a protest method. Don’t go to restaurants in America if you can’t accept this. Yeah I know, Lemmy people don’t visit America, blah blah blah royal you.
I don’t normally like generalizing people based on country or continent but I read it so damn much that I really stop giving a fuck when the people doing it reveal themselves to be massive hypocrites. It’s like listening to a “do as I say not as I do” parent. (btw what’s up with y’all condemning nativism in America and then falling hook line and sinker for it when it’s your countries? I see that a lot. Yeah I know, Statue of Liberty poem, but the racist narratives are bullshit everywhere.) If the way I lean is a sign of entitlement, I better see you willing to confront YOUR entitlement.
No one is thinking that tourists will change your lack of labour laws. You’re just feeling pissy because tourism for the Epstein Cup keeps highlighting everything fucked with the US. You, and this article are fantastic examples of what’s wrong.
You’re defaulting to blaming the tourists for not tipping, rather than the employers that dont pay their staff, or the legal framework that allows it to take place.
The resturants are all full with tourists. Clearly there’s more than enough turnover and profit to pay staff with…
As for the last thing you wrote. I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. Maybe you should check if your house/apartment has lead paint. That would explain a lot
It is 100% taking advantage. If you accept the labor of a person and you know that most of their compensation is at your discretion, and you don’t do it because you aren’t forced to, you are just as exploitive if not more so. I mean do you really need it to be baked into the price to force you to do the right thing?
100% of their compensation is at my discretion. I’m paying for the meal. There was an advertised and agreed upon price of said meal.
When i go into a grocery store to buy milk. I’m not tipping my cashier for handling my transaction. I expect that to be included in the price of the products i buy.
The right thing. Is for the employer to pay their employees.
Nope. Healthcare is 99.99% paid for by the state. If you spend $200 for medication in a year, that’s your cap. And the rest of your medication for the year will be $0.
Everyone have free dental until they turn 26.
Everyone is in a union.
Tuition to universities is $0.
All kids in elementary and secondary education recieve free school lunches, which in 99.99% of cases consists of an all you can eat buffet.
Oh do fuck off with that. The customer isn’t taking advantage of the worker or the resturant. The employer is taking advantage of the workers.
If it’s not optional. Include it in the price up front so we all know what we’re paying.
I do agree with you, and I also find it extremely annoying that I am expected to give a tip. However, when I go to the US I know their society works like that, I am visiting and I respect their customs, regardless of how idiotic they seem to me, I just treat the tip as part of the price and there’s that.
What I really find annoying of waiters in the US is that they know you’ll give them a tip and attempt to their best to be servicing with you all the time. Asking you several times if all is good, you need something else and so on. I remember once I took a beer with my girlfriend in a bar and before I got to drinking half of that I was asked by 3 different waiters if everything was alright several times as well as being asked twice if I wanted another beer.
Fuck off guys, if I want something I’ll ask you. You’re not being kind by doing all this, just annoying.
Yes, because you know this, and you might just accept it as cost of doing business. But not everyone knows about this. And honestly, some might just forget as they’re busy talking about the games or the stores or whatever else they want to go see and visit.
I also understand that’s “how it works” in the US. I’ve visited plenty over the years.
But what I take issue with is when tourists are being blamed. Because they’re not the problem. They contribute to additional profit for the resturant. The problem is the management that can get away with not paying their staff enough.
Here’s the disconnect: the restaurant owners who make said “additional profit” are not the ones complaining, they’re not the ones in this thread. The ones complaining are the workers directly affected by the lack of tips, and they’re capable of hating both their boss/the system and the customers that don’t tip who are complicit in their exploitation by paying their boss. The worker sees NONE of that profit but ALL of the work they didn’t get paid for because the euros didn’t tip them and their boss doesn’t give half a shit.
The problem is both of you not paying the staff, if either of you did there’d be less to complain about.
Tipping is rude in Japan. If I go to Japan and tip, I’m rude. It is my responsibility to know this as a visitor to their country.
Not tipping is rude in America. If I go to America and don’t tip, I’m rude. It is my responsibility to know this as a visitor to their country.
Simple as.
Again. Having the fucked up system of people having to survive on handouts and donations from strangers is the problem. Not the tourists.
The only disconnect is that americans are bitching about tourists not tipping on lemmy, rather than bitching about servers having to rely on tips in the first place to their representatives.
The US vowed to offer free public transit for World Cup tourists in their bid to host it. Instead once push came to shove. They increased their prices instead of upholding what they promised.
Maybe more tourists would tip had their entire budget not been flipped on its head just weeks prior to the event.
Simple as.
Sure, but unless you can fix it yesterday, before they got here, this is the system they’re visiting.
Oh yeah I forgot about that, all the waiters in the country got together and conspired to do that to personally fuck you, I remember that meeting.
You think the people you’re not tipping had anything to do with that? You’re insane.
What the fuck are you talking about? You are aware that most people dont have unlimited funds right? Having to spend an extra $50-$100 on transport for each trip has to come out of the budget somewhere.
But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices? Because that’s the obvious conclusion or what? No, I’m not insane. But you’re an idiot stuck at a second grade reading level.
No u.
You are aware the servers you’re stiffing are part time workers without healthcare or vacation time at all and they’re also struggling to afford basic life, right? While the people that won’t tip can afford to fly halfway across the fucking world for their precious soccy game? Talk about out of touch lmao.
Fuck your budget, stay home.
OH my mistake you’ve never experienced sarcasm before. Bless your heart you sweet summer child. Fucking christ.
If that is the justification you’re giving for why they can’t tip those specific servers than I guess so, they must have slighted you personally if they’re the ones that get the shaft. Unless you’re a bad person…
Debatable
Oh look there’s that “no u” again! Funny thing that. Hey don’t get mad at me you’re the one blaming servers for what was it, bus prices or some dumb fucking bullshit? Fuck off lmao.
See, this right here is how i know you’re not being sarcastic. That you genuinly thought it was the case.
I’m not blaming servers for anything. I’m blaming the US government. It’s their fault things are the way they are. Not servers, not tourists.
This might sound radical to someone like you. But hear me out. If servers rely on a 20% tip on every meal. Why not just include that in the price for the start and it will never be a problem. You know, like how the rest of the world does it.
You, tourist, not tipping ain’t gonna change shit, it just leaves a working class person hungry. At this particular World Cup it’s probably an at least somewhat well off customer leaving a working class person hungry, given how expensive tickets are.
You know what would end tipping culture? Unions. Act annoyed that it hasn’t happened if you want, but it’s not yours to change. For as much as Europeans like to lecture Americans about ineffective protest methods, they think doing something that benefits only them is a protest method. Don’t go to restaurants in America if you can’t accept this. Yeah I know, Lemmy people don’t visit America, blah blah blah royal you.
I don’t normally like generalizing people based on country or continent but I read it so damn much that I really stop giving a fuck when the people doing it reveal themselves to be massive hypocrites. It’s like listening to a “do as I say not as I do” parent. (btw what’s up with y’all condemning nativism in America and then falling hook line and sinker for it when it’s your countries? I see that a lot. Yeah I know, Statue of Liberty poem, but the racist narratives are bullshit everywhere.) If the way I lean is a sign of entitlement, I better see you willing to confront YOUR entitlement.
No one is thinking that tourists will change your lack of labour laws. You’re just feeling pissy because tourism for the Epstein Cup keeps highlighting everything fucked with the US. You, and this article are fantastic examples of what’s wrong.
You’re defaulting to blaming the tourists for not tipping, rather than the employers that dont pay their staff, or the legal framework that allows it to take place.
The resturants are all full with tourists. Clearly there’s more than enough turnover and profit to pay staff with…
As for the last thing you wrote. I have no idea wtf you’re talking about. Maybe you should check if your house/apartment has lead paint. That would explain a lot
Lol you’re an asshole
Resorting to insults really helps your argument
I don’t have an argument. If you don’t like the US then stay the fuck out.
Most of these comments are intentionally insulting, asshole.
No I was debating and I have presented arguments
None of it was meant to insult, in fact it is telling that we are still willing to even debate you people on this. We want you to do better.
Not you though. You can go fuck yourself. Go count down votes and radicalise
It is 100% taking advantage. If you accept the labor of a person and you know that most of their compensation is at your discretion, and you don’t do it because you aren’t forced to, you are just as exploitive if not more so. I mean do you really need it to be baked into the price to force you to do the right thing?
100% of their compensation is at my discretion. I’m paying for the meal. There was an advertised and agreed upon price of said meal.
When i go into a grocery store to buy milk. I’m not tipping my cashier for handling my transaction. I expect that to be included in the price of the products i buy.
The right thing. Is for the employer to pay their employees.
You’re just cheap dude.
No, I just don’t live in a shithole where service workers have to beg customers for extra donations juat to pay their bills.
You probably live in a shithole that charges for water and using the bathroom 🤣
Nope. Healthcare is 99.99% paid for by the state. If you spend $200 for medication in a year, that’s your cap. And the rest of your medication for the year will be $0.
Everyone have free dental until they turn 26.
Everyone is in a union.
Tuition to universities is $0.
All kids in elementary and secondary education recieve free school lunches, which in 99.99% of cases consists of an all you can eat buffet.
I could go on but I’m sure you get the point.
Cope harder, American.
Yanks like you are one of the many reasons why the civilised world sneers at 'Murica
Yes you do.